SCS controlling Soundcraft UI16 over Network commands

[erwin]

Hi
I have successfully controlled my Behringer X32 Compact with SCS, it works great.

Now I have to control 2 headsets, 3 loudspeakers, 2 projectors in a complicated production
and I have far too little space at the technical table.

I have a Soundcraft UI16 (without midi) and want to use this mixer with network commands:
mute/unmute and sound output (noise) to different speakers

I read something in the forum for similar problems and questions but didn't understand if there
is an implementation for Soundcraft UIxx like there is for Begringer x32
Just installed the latest version, it's not explicitly Soundcraft in the list, is it compatible with a product?
It is usually controlled via a web interface.

Or other question:
I can replace the Soundcraft UI16 with a Begringer xAir16,
is one of the two devices: (X32) in the library compatible with xAir16???

Thanks and greetings Erwin

[dee99]

If the UI16 accepts https commands you can send those from SCS, or there is a OSC to soundcraft converter on github.
https://github.com/stefets/osc-soundcraft-bridge
I have not seen any MIDI or OSC command documentation for these mixers. Feel free to enlightlen me if there is.
Also this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seUjRcMgsTw

[Mike Daniell]

I can replace the Soundcraft UI16 with a Begringer xAir16,
is one of the two devices: (X32) in the library compatible with xAir16???

I have access to an XR18 but so far haven't managed to successfully communicate with this from a network test program. However, I am planning to carry out further testing shortly. Once that is successful, I'll then see what needs to be done to modify SCS or the 'Control Send Remote Device' file to support these Behringer X AIR devices.

[sjwicks]

erwin, you should be able to control the Xair16 using Midi in the same way as the Xair 18, which is curently supported by SCS. Very easy to set up, the Midi commands are sent over USB to the Xair and can control mute/unmute and many functions of the mixer.

[PhilVale]

I've successfully controlled my Xair18 using Midi commands from SCS which I think I sent out over USB (Is that likely?).

Check on Berhingers website there's instruction there on what to send.

Let me know if you want my simple test file.

I vaugely think there was a setting in the Xair that needed to be set - but if you've been able to control an Xair 16 it should be the same.

[erwin]

Hello sjwicks
That sounds interesting.
So you connected the XR18 directly to the USB host with a cable and it works ??
?You don't have a USB-to-Midi converter on the computer and then connect the cables to the Midi connector?

That would be great, I'd rather work without a converter.
Unfortunately the XR16 doesn't have a USB host, then I'll buy an XR18 if you connect it directly to the cable without a converter..

[erwin]

Hi Mike
I'll move to Beringer, that's fixed.
The only question now is XR16 or XR18

XR16 is enough for me, but it doesn't have a USB host port.
My keyboard emulates a MIDI converter on the USB host.

I need to know from Behringer if I can use the XR18's USB host as MIDI.
Then I can go from the laptop to the XR18 with a cable without a USB-to-Midi converter.

I will then test it with MIDI commands and OSC commands and report back

[erwin]

Hello everyone

I just saw a video from Behringer: "
X Air - How to send MIDI data from Logic Pro"

This shows how to select the XR18's USB host as a MIDI device in Logic-Pro.
So it has to work, I'll buy the XR18, connect it and see what SQS can recognize for MIDI devices.

Delivery time is 3-4 weeks, so I will only test in a few weeks and give feedback here on what I have experienced.

Thanks to all.

[erwin]

Hello PhilVale

>>>but if you've been able to control an Xair 16 it should be the same.

The XR16 have no USB-Host port, so it works only by MIDI-Connectors
and I'd rather work without a converter at my Laptop.
so i will buy XR18 although i need less big ones

Thanks

[sjwicks]

Hello erwin
Yes, that is correct. You can control the XAir 18 using Midi over USB

The xair needs to be configured to receive midi over usb (xair3)

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then setup "control send" parameters in SCS (xair 1 and 2)

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[PhilVale]

Hello PhilVale

>>>but if you've been able to control an Xair 16 it should be the same.

The XR16 have no USB-Host port, so it works only by MIDI-Connectors
and I'd rather work without a converter at my Laptop.
so i will buy XR18 although i need less big ones

Thanks

Erwin,

In which case you're right my apologies - I only saw the absence of the Aux input channels I hadn't spotted the absence of the USB connection.

I use an 18 with SCS because in the main I use it as an interface device sending pre-recorded to various outputs as well as input for recording and it all controls through USB (no Midi althpough the 18 also has Midi) - there are a number of post on here which show how to do it.

[erwin]

thanks a lot sjwicks

I found a rare XR18 despite being sold out everywhere...
And it's on my table today.

USB driver installed = perfect.

Test made with playing sound files and discovered strange properties.

I connect my MP3 player to INPUT 1 & 2 on the XR18
I connect speakers to the main output.
i install xr18 driver on laptop and connect xr18 to usb host.
X-Air Edit is the mixing console software and I can set everything up very easily and hear the music from the MP3 player on channels 1 & 2

Now I change channel 10 & 11 to USB with x-air edit.
In SCS I set Audio Output to Physical Device = X-Air ASIO Driver give a name (announcement) and use channel 10 & 11
Then I make a new sound cue and send it to (announcement)
It works perfectly

something is weird
I send the SCS sound file to the input channels 10& 11 of the XR18.
With the SCS I have to specify "OUTPUT", which irritated me for a while.
But it works.

Now the MP3 player should simulate an actor and I want to mute channel 1 & 2...
It doesn't work with network send (I bought a paid extension of SQS), the XR18 probably has different protocols than the X32.
There are also two profiles for X32 in SCS, one normal and one for compact.

To be sure I don't have an error, I created a new SCS and connected my X32 Compact.
It works great with network send commands, tested it with mute.
I would very much like to use network send commands and not MIDI.

The way you do it in the example it probably works very well, I will test your suggestion on Sunday.
It's clear, I've now bought the expensive XR18 and I have MIDI support via USB host, I don't need an extra MIDI cable


However, I would be very happy if
@Mike who would implement XR18/16/12 in SCS.

Thanks all Erwin

[sjwicks]

good to hear, erwin.

Let us know how successful you have been on Sunday. I'm sure you will find using MIDI via USB to controll the mic mute and other functions very easy.

[erwin]

Hello my friends
I'm finally back on this topic, sorry for the long time I've been away...

Special Tanks to [sjwicks] for the screenshots, they were extremely helpful.

I can now describe how the setup works:

1. Network Send is not an option as I connect the X-Air 18 to the Behringer X-Touch to be able to intervene live,
the X-Air 18 can only handle one interface, either Ethernet or Access Point. So Ethernet = Network Send is not possible.

The central question was: can X-Air 18 simultaneously receive audio from SQS and Midi-Send commands on the USB host?
And I can answer that with a definite YES.

The setup looks like this:

Shortly before the start of the show, all the microphones would be muted because the actors were still fitting and speaking backstage.

Then the first singer appears on a staircase to the left of the stage and sings the first song.
Playback only needs to be heard on the left speaker. (AUX5)

Then a second singer appears through a door to the right of the stage and sings the second song.
The playback only needs to be heard on the right speaker. (AUX6)

Then the third song starts and both singers run together to the middle of the stage.
The playback must be heard on all speakers. (AUX5 & AUX6)

After the third song, the moderator appears from behind, greets the audience and introduces the two singers.

>>> It all works great once it's understood and set up correctly

And Mike, yes I know it's been a long time, thank you so much for adding these Behringer X AIR devices to SQS.
I would like to thank you very much for all your support.

With X-Air18 everything works, now I have to look for the next solution
to the problem with other USB audio interfaces such as Focusrite, Roland and others...

erwin