SCS 11.9.4 and Behringer X32

[SDC-Tim]

I have recently got an X32 and have been playing with sending MIDI Program Change Channel 3-6 to Load Cues or Channel 2 to Load Snippets

Will be trying out the new features in 11.9.4
There is no Go Cue but I can still use Program Change if I need to do that, as per Control message 2 below
In Scs the Snippets are numbered 1-100 whereas on the X32 they are 0-99 so I'm expecting that to Load Snippet 99 I will have to specify Snippet100 ie add 1 as per Control message 1 below
Cant get at the board at the moment to actually test this.

Anyway thanks Mike for this new feature.

[Mike Daniell]

Unfortunately I don't currently have access to an X32 with the required expansion card so can't try this here. So I'd appreciate your help!

The documentation is rather confusing. The X32 User Manual includes this:

MIDI RX > SCENES
Whenever program change messages in the range 1-100 are received on MIDI
CH01, the corresponding scene of the X32 internal show memory will be loaded.

But a separate document includes this:

X32CuesEtc.png (18.07 KiB) Viewed 95075 times

So the manual says 1-100 for scenes, but the other document says 0-99.
Looking back at the code I wrote (and used) for network control of an X32 I see that I did use 0-99 for scenes, snippets and cues.

I'll email you a new configuration file and if that handles these requirements correctly then I'll re-release 11.9.4 with the new configuration file.

BTW, I'm planning to limit the range of cue numbers to 0-99, or possibly 0-127, even though the X32 handles up to 512 (4 * 128) cues.

[BJB]

Hello,
I think I will be able to test this.
I have an X32 as well as a Roland UM-ONE USB Midi interface which should do the trick.
I'm fairly certain I have used a network call to the X32 in the past and there was no numerical offset i.e. a call to snippet no. 7 activated snippet no. 7.
I will play around with it tomorrow and let you know how I get on.
Brendan

[SDC-Tim]

Many thanks to Mike who sent me a fix for the Snippet numbering, which also included a Go Cue option.

Now to begin with there were features such as setting fader levels and mute / unmute that I could not get to work.
That was my error as I had not set up the board correctly, so as a reminder to everyone this is what I needed to configure

On the X32, Settings >> Remote
Protocol = Generic CC
Interface = Card MIDI
MIDI Control Interface = CARD MIDI
Remote Button Disabled

MIDI Recieve
Prog. Change = selected
Fader pos CC = selected
Ch. Mute CC = selected
CH. Pan CC = selected

MIDI Transmit
Prog. Change = selected
The MIDI Transmit I have set because one of the assignable buttons has been programmed to send a GO message to SCS Cue Control
Midi Note On Midi Channel 1 'Go Button' kk = 0

[BJB]

Further to the posts above, I have tested sending various MIDI commands from SCS to an X32 Compact mixer and, with one exception, everything worked. Below are screenshots of my X32 setup and SCS Cuelist.
As anticipated, there is an offset of 1 when using the Load Cue command. Cue numbering on Scenes and Snippets starts at 0, but starts at 1 for Cues!
The only thing which I couldn't get to work was the ScribbleStrip command for naming the Scribble strips - not a big issue as X32TC generally looks after all that, particularly for the bigger theatre shows.

[Mike Daniell]

Many thanks, Tim and Brendan, for this further testing of the X32 MIDI control.

I hadn't included scribble strip retrieval or updating as the required MIDI commands are not documented. However, on further investigation it does appear that sending OSC over MIDI using Sysex commands my provide the functionality I need. I'll look into this later.

[willmodelisme]

Hi Mike, if that may help I am sharing with you:

I am also playing with X32 and OSC.
Got an easy setup to read the OSC command that are sent by the X32.
I have X32 Edit software connected to X32 emulator ( https://sites.google.com/site/patrickma ... 4IH0Luimc0 ).
Editing a scribble strip generate OSC command below

/ch/01/config/color~,i~~[ 11]
/ch/01/config/name~~,s~~test2~~~

The Patrick-Gilles Maillot PDF explain it a better way:
/ch/[01…32]/config/color enum int with value [0…15] representing {OFF, RD, GN, YE, BL, MG, CY, WH, OFFi, RDi, GNi, YEi, BLi, MGi, CYi, WHi}
/ch/[01…32]/config/name string A 12‐character max string representing the input channel name

[SDC-Tim]

I have been helping Mike test various commands to run from SCS to an X32
These include setting colors for Channels and for DCAs
Updates to the Go Scene, Snippet and Cue

Setting Scribble strip names on the X32 is not there yet, but it can be done by sending MIDI free format
I have a spreadsheet to help me generate the required message in the correct format. Send me a PM if you'd like a copy

Believe that Mike has this on his list of possabilities.

[willmodelisme]

Yep 'll do.
Not that I need it now but for future project why not.
I am now working with stream deck, controlling SCS and X32 in the same instance.
Great possibilities even if it seems that tap tempo from stream deck to X32 is not possible, but that is not the subject here.
Tks.

[barneyd]

My son is hoping to operate sound for his schools’s musical production next year and I’d like to get him using SCS. The school has an X32, which he could then remotely control. It’s likely that the singers will need to share radio mics and and unlikely to each sing at the same volume so it would be useful if there was a “ChFader” option on the Network Send version of the X32 profile.

I know the remote control devices are controlled by a configuration file so I went looking for likely candidates and came across scs_crd.scsrd. The file contains message definitions but I noticed the list of devices is slightly different to the list I see in SCS and when I change the file, the changes aren’t reflected in SCS even if I create a brand new production. Is that the right file and how do I get SCS to use the altered version of it?

[SDC-Tim]

There are a couple of possabilities
on the X32 set what ChFader level you require and save them as a snippet,
you can then use SCS to GoSnippet and the number of the saved snippet that relates to that actor.
I'm about to do a show where I have a saved snippet for each song with the required levels, which channels are assigned to which DCAs (Male, Female and Soloist) as well as things like effects send and returns

Alternatively instead of Remote Device Behringer X32 Digital Mixer use
Remote Device OSC Other becasue you can then send a OSC free format
see https://showcuesystems.com/scs11help/in ... ontext=650
to set levels

[barneyd]

Thanks for the reply. Either of those could work but the Set Fader Level control send functionality is good because you can easily set the level using a classic SCS level slider so it would be good to be able to use it.

It feels like it should be a matter of getting the right entry into the configuration file rather than any recoding of SCS so hopefully no too difficult to achieve.

[SDC-Tim]

If you were close enough to the board to connect by Midi then what you need already exists, it's just not via the Network route

[Mike Daniell]

I know the remote control devices are controlled by a configuration file so I went looking for likely candidates and came across scs_crd.scsrd. The file contains message definitions but I noticed the list of devices is slightly different to the list I see in SCS and when I change the file, the changes aren’t reflected in SCS even if I create a brand new production. Is that the right file and how do I get SCS to use the altered version of it?

I haven't yet implemented the 'Network' entries in scs_csrd.scsrd. I added these when I first created the file, but the implementation was not straight forward, so is currently on hold. All the 'MIDI' entries are supported. As Tim says, if you can use a MIDI connection then that may be your best solution.

[barneyd]

Hi Mike,
Any plans to implement configuration of devices with network connections throughscs_csrd.scsrd?
I’m working with a venue that has an Allen &Heath iDR8. Although it supports midi and I have made this work as a new control send device, the control point and mixer rack are linked by network but not by midi.